►EPISODE 213: Diversify Your Creative Business with Pandr Design
Ready to ditch the starving artist trope and paint your own path to creative success? From charging what you’re worth, to calling out sneaky art competitions, and navigating the wild world of social media—Michelle and Phoebe break it all down. Pull back the curtain on the business of murals, how Phoebe cold-pitches her way to projects, and why she’s over playing nice with companies running “for exposure” contests. Plus, hear the hot takes and honest realities of building a creative career in late stage capitalism.
Phoebe Nelson is a San Diego-based muralist, designer, and founder of Pandr Design Co. With a decade of experience painting large-scale murals across the globe, Phoebe is known for transforming blank walls into bold, colorful works of art that reflect community, brand identity, and joy. Through her work, she champions public art accessibility and empowers other creatives by sharing her business knowledge and mural expertise.
In today's episode, we cover the following:
Phoebe's journey as a muralist and graphic designer
Diversifying creative income and business offerings
Artist education and community support
Issues in creative communities: free work and competition
Project alignment and client selection
Business risk in social media
Alternative marketing strategies
Cold emailing and direct outreach
Manifestation and future goals
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To see Phoebe's murals and support her work, follow her on Instagram @PandrDesignCo, Tik Tok @PhoebeCornog and visit her website PandrdDesignCo.com
Social media in 2025 is pure chaos—platforms are shifting, algorithms are unpredictable, and keeping up feels like a full-time job. That’s why we're sharing our 2025 Social Media Webinar that we share with all of our clients. It's a no-BS breakdown of what’s working, what’s dead, and how to build a strategy that actually delivers. Whether you’re a brand owner or a social media pro, this resource is your shortcut to navigating the wild west of online marketing. Tune in at MKWCreative.co/resources/p/2025socialmedia
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This episode was edited by Berta Wired
Theme music by: Eliza Rosevera and Nathan Menard
